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I'm a biology student and new to FEA. I am trying to model a vibration through the hyoid apparatus of an echolocating bat. It's believed that when the bat sends out a call, it registers that call by sending a vibration from the larynx > hyoid body > stylohyal bone > tympanic bone. The stylohyal wrapping around the tympanic bone is unique to echolocators. To form a picture in the brain, we think the bat compares this vibration with the returning echo. However, this has never been tested. 

 

Some information:

The loudness of a call is 120 decibels. The frequency is how often the force gets applied per second. The vocal chords are vibrating at 50khz, causing the larynx to vibrate at the same frequency which pushes on the hyoid at that frequency. With a force of 120 db which is 1N, I'm assuming that half the hyoid would recieve 0.5N. I am only modeling half of the hyoid, although I am open to adding the entire thing if necessary.

 

My question: which analysis would be best for my goal, which is to test and confirm that this is the functionality of this system ? I have attached a photo with named parts. I can send a file if needed  Using ANSYS. 

 

 

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manual_surtax
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So first big thing you need to do is make sure you have your material properties correct. A popular saying in the analysis community is garbage in = garbage out. From my limited bio knowledge it seems you have two bones and two fleshy bodies. For the bones you can probably treat them as perfectly elastic to start then later move to a visco elastic model or add some artificial dampening for more accuracy. You will need good density data and good young's modulus data for the elastic mode. For the visco-elastic/ dampening properties what you will need will depend on the specific material model.

The fleshy bodies are more difficult. They are softer, and will have larger amounts of dampening. I would look for similar literature (FEA of biological parts) to best model these parts. In fact, that goes for all of the parts. Look for literature modeling bones, and fleshy bodies but make sure they are looking for acoustic/vibration responses as opposed to only structural responses.

You are also going to have to think real hard about your constraints/contact. How is everything being held in place? What all is touching each part? The contact between each part matters as well. How does each part interface with the next? Do they directly touch? Is there intermediate connective tissue? Is there some sort of fluid interface? Each one of these will lead to different modeling assumptions.

Another big question is what results are you trying to get? This is going to effect the analysis type. Do you want stress in the bones? Required energy to excite the resonance? You are not going to be able to tell if the bat forms a picture in its brain from this analysis. It would be possible to tell though if the system responds to some distorted version of the 50khz wave.

In terms of analysis type, I would start with a modal analysis, see where the resonant frequencies for each part are. This is a relatively cheap analysis so you can iterate quickly. For more advice I would need to know more about the problem.

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manual_surtax
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In addition to all of that the file you posted looks like a .stl file (laser scan data?) So ANSYS may or may not accept that as geometry. If it does, be wary because ANSYS can create some really bad meshes without proper control. (bad mesh -> bad equations -> bad results). So check the element quality metrics like Jacobian, skew, warpage etc. If it does not take it, make it into a solid body like a .iges, solidpart, etc. then bring it in. I would mesh with solid elements, using a tet4 to get it to work, then remesh to a tet10 for accuracy. 

I have linked a enterfea blog post that might be handy and there are likely many more. These are an easy read with lots of pictures and little jargon to help you understand some of these topics. If you are brand new to FE, this is a difficult problem to start with so dont get discouraged. Feel free to ask more questions below. Good Luck!

https://enterfea.com/fundamentals-of-fea-beginners-guide/

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ALE modeling with frequency response  of the model  might help. 

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@manual_surtax

Helpful advice! Try to limit any links that you post to be directly relevant to the topic, otherwise it comes across as spammy 🙂

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