AI Assistant
Random High Stress ...
 
Notifications
Clear all

[Solved] Random High Stress in Solid Elements

10 Posts
2 Users
0 Reactions
3,512 Views
Posts: 15
Topic starter
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
(@manoz21)
Junior Engineer
Joined: 6 years ago
[#171]

I have modeled a 3D steel bar subjected to a point impulse load. I used FI solid elements for the run. My mesh is also good with mesh size of 0.01in and max aspect ratio of 1.20. But  I am getting erratic high stress and strains in the result. What can be the cause of this?


9 Replies




Negative Volume
Posts: 681
Admin
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
(@negativevolume)
CEO
Joined: 8 years ago

Hi @manoz21

It could be a multitude of issues. What material model are you using for the steel and are you just using literature values for the parameters? Is the point load just a load on a node of the bar (what keyword are you using)? If you have a mesh of an impactor to represent the point load, then what type of contact are you using?


Reply
8 Replies
(@manoz21)
Joined: 6 years ago

Junior Engineer
Posts: 15
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@negativevolume hey. I am using the material values for A304 steels. The load is defined as a sinusoidal impulse load with an amplitude of 250 lbs and time period of 0.1 ms and 0.2 ms. the load is applied to a single edge node in load_node. the 0.2 ms load shows no such erratic stresses but the 0.1 ms one does.


Reply
Negative Volume
Admin
(@negativevolume)
Joined: 8 years ago

CEO
Posts: 681
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@manoz21 Okay so it has nothing to do with contacts then. What material model are you using? (ex. *Mat_piecewise_plasticity) And what type of mesh is the bar? Hexahedral or tetrahedral? It could be related to the element formulation. You can also check the energy of your simulation in your ascii or binout files under glstat for any erratic behavior. 


Reply
(@manoz21)
Joined: 6 years ago

Junior Engineer
Posts: 15
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@negativevolume I am using elastic material with the hexahedral (brick) element. I am using fully integrated elements. I think it has something to do with shear locking but I don't have the means to verify it.


Reply
Negative Volume
Admin
(@negativevolume)
Joined: 8 years ago

CEO
Posts: 681
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@manoz21 Fully integrated hexa elements are prone to shear locking. Try ELFORM = 2 and then use a hourglass control of 5


Reply
(@manoz21)
Joined: 6 years ago

Junior Engineer
Posts: 15
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@negativevolume that's the problem, I am studying wave propagation in solid media, fully integrated elements are supposed to give practical results. elform =2 does not need hourglass integration, 1 needs it. I am using 2 for the current simulation in which I am getting high stresses.


Reply
Negative Volume
Admin
(@negativevolume)
Joined: 8 years ago

CEO
Posts: 681
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@manoz21 Ah sorry I got mixed up and was thinking about shell element ELFORM=2. I meant ELFORM=1 for the solid elements. Have you tried that with that hourglass control?


Reply
(@manoz21)
Joined: 6 years ago

Junior Engineer
Posts: 15
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@negativevolume elform 1 uses just 1 integration point. I am studying wave propagation and fully integrated elements are bound to give practical results. I need to use fully integrated elements. I need ways to verify if my model is undergoing shear/volumetric locking. If you got any idea about that that would be quite helpful. Thanks


Reply
Negative Volume
Admin
(@negativevolume)
Joined: 8 years ago

CEO
Posts: 681
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Negative Volume
Translate
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian

@manoz21 Got it. Have you tried ELFORM=-1 or -2? These are both fully integrated but may reduce your shear locking issue. This link will download a .pdf by LSTC highlighting these element formulations starting on page 8. 

https://awg.lstc.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=474


Reply







Share: